{"id":1312,"date":"2013-10-11T00:35:11","date_gmt":"2013-10-11T04:35:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/?p=1312"},"modified":"2013-10-11T09:36:51","modified_gmt":"2013-10-11T13:36:51","slug":"40k-1850pts-vs-grey-knights","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/2013\/10\/40k-1850pts-vs-grey-knights\/","title":{"rendered":"40k: 1850pts vs Grey Knights"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/07\/kingbreakers-icon.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-42\" alt=\"kingbreakers-icon\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/07\/kingbreakers-icon.png\" width=\"81\" height=\"81\" \/><\/a>Lorenzo and I paired off his Grey Knights against my Kingbreakers tonight at <a href=\"http:\/\/redcapscorner.com\/\">Redcap&#8217;s<\/a>. \u00a0No dramatic cinematic moments, but a solid, balanced, strategic 1850 pt game. \u00a0Fast playing as well since he fielded like three models and many of mine hung out in transports!<\/p>\n<h2>Army<\/h2>\n<p>I made some small adaptations to the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/2013\/10\/40k-1850pts-vs-necrons\/\">1850 pt list I used last week<\/a>. \u00a0In particular, I was originally planning to play <a href=\"http:\/\/headwoundminis.blogspot.com\/2013\/09\/last-march-of-ents.html\">Jason&#8217;s Dark Angels<\/a> so I dropped the Thunderfire Cannon and brought some Predators, an extra Plasmagun, etc.:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><em>Capt Angholan<\/em>\u2014Vulkan<\/li>\n<li><em>Librarian Rorschach<\/em>\u2014Librarian w\/ Terminator Armor, Storm Shield<\/li>\n<li>Terminators x5 w\/ Thunderhammers and Storm Shields<\/li>\n<li>Sternguard x5 w\/ Drop Pod w\/ 3x Combi-Meltas<\/li>\n<li>Tacticals x5 w\/ Razorback, Powerfist, Plasmagun<\/li>\n<li>Tacticals x10 w\/ Rhino, Missile Laucher, Meltagun<\/li>\n<li>Tacticals x10 w\/ Missile Launcher, Flamer<\/li>\n<li>Devastators x7 w\/ 2x Plasmacannons, 2x Heavy Bolters<\/li>\n<li>Landspeeders \u00a0x3 w\/ Multi-Melta, Heavy Flamer<\/li>\n<li>Predators x2 w\/ Autocannons, Heavy Bolter sponsons, Hunter-Killer Missiles<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Lorenzo brought Coteaz w\/ two Jokaero and other henchman, two Dreadknights, four Terminator squads, and some other Librarian HQ.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_1313\" style=\"width: 310px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/IMG_6381.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1313\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-1313\" alt=\"Kingbreakers man the walls!\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/IMG_6381-300x225.jpg\" width=\"300\" height=\"225\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/IMG_6381-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/IMG_6381-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/IMG_6381.jpg 1600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-1313\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Kingbreakers man the walls!<\/p><\/div>\n<div id=\"attachment_1324\" style=\"width: 310px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/IMG_6416.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1324\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-1324\" alt=\"Just waitin' for the shootin' to start.\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/IMG_6416-300x225.jpg\" width=\"300\" height=\"225\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/IMG_6416-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/IMG_6416-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/IMG_6416.jpg 1600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-1324\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Just waitin&#8217; for the shootin&#8217; to start.<\/p><\/div>\n<h2>Battle<\/h2>\n<p>Fortunately for me we rolled Vanguard deployment. \u00a0Less fortunately we rolled for whatever the Annihilation Mission is currently called. \u00a0I kept my usual Sternguard+Rorschach off table in their Drop Pod. \u00a0Lorenzo started with Coteaz and his monkey friends hanging out fairly close to my front line, with a squad of Terminators as a buffer between them. \u00a0Another group of Termies lurked well back in the center field while the rest went into reserves. \u00a0Early fighting had the buffer Terminators trying to flank the Kingbreakers but blocked and eventually eliminated by aggressive Sternguard.<\/p>\n<p>The core of this match was three of Lorenzo&#8217;s heavies getting right up in my guys&#8217; grills but being worked over by concentrated shooting and then polished off in assault. \u00a0The Terminators + Librarian came down in\u00a0some sort of Turn 1 no-scatter Deep Strike right on my clustered Heavy Supports&#8217; rear. \u00a0They managed to destroy a Predator, but were crippled by the combined weight of multiple incoming Autocannons, Heavy Bolters, Krak Missiles, Plasmacannons, and various Bolter weapons before being finished off by Thunderhammer wielding Terminators. \u00a0One Dreadknight Outflanked into a similar position on my Troops&#8217; rear while the other Outflanked on the far table edge and then did some crazy jump move to quickly advance into place. \u00a0Each of them met the same fate as the Terminators though. \u00a0Even with Kingbreakers&#8217; shooting divided in half there was just too much of it.<\/p>\n<p>The match closed on a similar note. \u00a0With those threats dispatched, the Kingbreakers were able to pull back and ping away from a comfortable safety at the Terminator squads advancing on foot up the center field.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_1314\" style=\"width: 310px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/IMG_6406.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1314\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-1314\" alt=\"Storm on the horizon!\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/IMG_6406-300x225.jpg\" width=\"300\" height=\"225\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/IMG_6406-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/IMG_6406-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/IMG_6406.jpg 1600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-1314\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Storm on the horizon!<\/p><\/div>\n<h2>Outcome<\/h2>\n<p>Kingbreakers held the field with 6 kills of Lorenzo&#8217;s 9 units, Linebreaker, and Warlord. \u00a0Grey Knights claimed 4 Kingbreakers units plus First Blood.<\/p>\n<h2>Analysis<\/h2>\n<p>Normally Annihilation against a tough, Elite army like Grey Knights gives me much anxiety. \u00a0After all, I brought 16 units and Lorenzo only 9, so from the start I really needed to wipe out a large percentage of his tough units and lose a very low percentage of my weaker ones to take a win. \u00a0I generally find this to be much harder than making casualty tradeoffs to claim objectives. \u00a0Fortunately I had been planning to play Jason&#8217;s similar elite-army Deathwing and brought a fair bit of shooting: Melta (Landspeeders and a few other guns), Plasma (Devastators and some extra guns), and sheer volume of fire (Heavy Bolters). \u00a0Similarly, I kept in a squad of Thunderhammer Terminators in order to have a good unit to stand up in assault against those Dark Angel\/Grey Knight meanies.<\/p>\n<p>Critical to the entire affair though was Vanguard deployment. \u00a0I deployed my guys hard against my short edge, tightly clustered up to create concentrated shooting and minimize Lorenzo&#8217;s ability to Deep Strike and Outflank in close proximity. \u00a0Between my deployment, movement, and Loreno&#8217;s Outflanking, the table wound up essentially rotated. \u00a0Passersby all thought we were playing on the short table edges. \u00a0That was a huge boon to me as it forced Lorenzo&#8217;s guys to wade through some heavy shooting while most of my guys just sat tight.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_1316\" style=\"width: 310px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/IMG_6421.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1316\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-1316\" alt=\"Kingbreakers stare down the long view.\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/IMG_6421-300x225.jpg\" width=\"300\" height=\"225\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/IMG_6421-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/IMG_6421-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/IMG_6421.jpg 1600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-1316\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Kingbreakers stare down the long view.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>My Librarian again did not do anything impressive, though he did stand there in assault for a good while tieing up some Grey Knight Terminators.<\/p>\n<p>My Terminators though did well this time as closers, knocking off the last couple wounds on a Dreadknight, and eliminating a half squad of Terminators before either could become real problems. \u00a0I started them on the table in the middle and in front of my gunline so that they could swing either direction at the first credible threats and be a hard block to either prevent Lorenzo from assaulting my squishier guys, or to sweep in and save the day if he snuck by. \u00a0This worked out as well as you could ask, these guys wound up being pivotal to mop up the remnants of tough units that had survived heavy shooting, before they could get onto my other guys and do serious damage.<\/p>\n<p>The Dreadknights I was a little scared of at first, but in many ways they&#8217;re actually pretty similar to a unit of Terminators. \u00a0Their Gatling Guns put out a scary amount of dice, but at S4 aren&#8217;t actually a huge deal. \u00a0Meanwhile, they&#8217;re pretty tough and serious, but sooner or later they&#8217;re going to roll fluke armor save fails and eventually go down if you just keep putting lots of shots on them. \u00a0Having the three &#8216;Speeders was really helpful with this, the Meltas did quite a number on all of Lorenzo&#8217;s guys. \u00a0It was a definite risk having those easy kill ponits up for grabs. \u00a0But I made sure to have them keep their distance and work the terrain. \u00a0In 5th edition I really got into this mindset that they had to get in fairly closer to get those critical 1D6 AP boosts to open up vehicles. \u00a0Now though I&#8217;ve tried to concentrate on using the full 24&#8243; range of the Multi-Melta to keep the &#8216;Speeders in slightly safer positions and shoot away at tough targets. \u00a0It also helps facing a low model count army. \u00a0Pretty much anything has a shot at shooting down a Landspeeder with their 10\/10\/10 armor, so if there&#8217;s a bunch of squads standing around without ideal targets they&#8217;ll take potshots at the &#8216;Speeders and eventually knock them down. \u00a0With so few units on the board though, the enemy units are all too busy doing other things to ping them just for kicks.<\/p>\n<p>All in all, for a tournament I&#8217;m not so sure about my list. \u00a0It doesn&#8217;t have any capacity to deal with flyers, and with just 2.5 Tactical Squads it has limited ability to hold a couple objectives. \u00a0However, it does have a reasonable volume of fire that I think can inflict damage on a few of the small &amp; elite armies floating around <a href=\"http:\/\/pagegaming.com\/forums\/\">PAGE<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>There are a few more photos of this and the other games in the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/tjkopena\/sets\/72157636414300316\/\">Flickr gallery<\/a>.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_1315\" style=\"width: 310px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/IMG_6414.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1315\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-1315\" alt=\"Oooh yeah.\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/IMG_6414-300x225.jpg\" width=\"300\" height=\"225\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/IMG_6414-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/IMG_6414-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/IMG_6414.jpg 1600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-1315\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Oooh yeah.<\/p><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Lorenzo and I paired off his Grey Knights against my Kingbreakers tonight at Redcap&#8217;s. \u00a0No dramatic cinematic moments, but a solid, balanced, strategic 1850 pt game. \u00a0Fast playing as well since he fielded like three models and many of mine hung out in transports! Army I made some small adaptations to the 1850 pt list &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/2013\/10\/40k-1850pts-vs-grey-knights\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[409],"tags":[272,137,17,274,29,45,24],"class_list":["post-1312","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-battle-reports","tag-40k","tag-grey-knights","tag-kingbreakers","tag-miniatures","tag-page","tag-redcaps","tag-space-marines"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1312","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1312"}],"version-history":[{"count":9,"href":"https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1312\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1326,"href":"https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1312\/revisions\/1326"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1312"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1312"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.rocketshipgames.com\/blogs\/tjkopena\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1312"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}